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. i have no idea why i like the show -- the think it's less about details. michael described it as it's not a palemic and i think audiences smell propaganda but if you can introduce the complexity of what they do. "24" was not about a good choice and bad choice but the better of two bad choices. if there was a formula of "24" that would have been it. and i think these people saw and president obama sees as well there is something about the presentation of the complexity of some of the things that people who are charged with these jobs have to deal with. writing it and imagining it makes me glad it's not my job just imagining how tough some of these decisions must be makes you grateful. >> the verse that we show in frost nixon "the queen" and that is how much responsibility you take with that, especially when art itself is working in metaphors. when people ask me about there is a pivot al scene in "frost nixon" which never happened. how could you show that because that is a pivotal moment in the piece. and the same with "the queen," that never happened. nixon did used to make phone cal
, michael jordan, the king of the bulls, oprah winfrey had her show, and barack obama who came anonymously. and he is arguably today's most influential. >> host: in chicago community organizer, you quote him. saying that obama was one of the most cautious people i ever met in my life. he was never willing to to take risks, vote a straight nomination of someone who would have to weigh everything to death, and then take a dramatic risk at the end. >> guest: that sounds like president obama, too. some ways that characteristic can be looked at as his life and career. but as a community organizer, the whole notion and method for community organizing was to take action, and you have to seize it. he was one of his mentors. barack obama was sort of a different sort. looking for ways to not confront in other ways. i can be >> host: while he was there as a community organizer, what was the president's life like? >> guest: he lived in hyde park. a great part of the city, it is notoriously known as a city in the united states. hyde park was a pocket of immigration. seems very comfortable there. he wou
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